I almost feel sorry to post my version of this almost forbidden song here. It’s currently not even in our set anymore, but Jump has accompanied my musical life ever since I started to kind of know what I was doing on a KORG Triton.
Only GigPerformer, however, finally lets me make the connections the way I want the signal chain to be, especially for this song:
How do you like it?
For my demo I added vocals and drums extracted by Logic’s new stem splitter.
Stairway wouldn’t have been my next post, but good to know.
I just tried to replicate what I think a typical eighties signal chain looked like.
The synth being a mono audio source must have passed through some preamp. I chose one from Arturia that I drive a little bit.
The single most important ingredient however is delaying one channel by 50 ms. You’ll hear that listening to the left and right channels of the original recording separately. One channel is pretty dry, the other one delayed, lower in volume, and with more reverb.
They panned the dry channel left and probably had reverb and delay on sends with the return of the delay panned to the right. My delay is the MDE-X from KORG but any will do. There are more songs that use this technique - I’ll show you more soon.
I love the Lexicon 224 reverb so I used the Arturia LX-24. It’s also my send reverb in the global rackspace (not used for the example). It adds quite a bit of latency (3.2 ms), though, but I’ll show how I cheat to ultimately save these 3.2 ms again shorty.
Everyone used the Roland Dimension D chorus back then so I put it in the chain. It’s one of few choruses with true stereo input.
Any EQ will do - I have the free one by Melda, followed by some compression.
Since at the end there must have been a tape recording machine, the audio passes through Arturia’s „Mello-fi“ which I love, too. It adds a little bit of saturation and - for the fun of it - noise…
@Florian:
Have you changed much in the plugin settings? I ask because I want to avoid AUs wherever possible, so that I would have to compare every single plugin.
@David-san: You’re right, I never thought about that in the past.
@SirTommes: I’m afraid I did, yes. In fact, most of the time I’m faster if start with an initial patch and I remember I didn’t like the Arturia Jump preset too much.
But I think the Arturia collection installer installs all formats anyways so you could temporarily active the AUs and transfer the settings as presets. I believe the Arturia preset files are compatible across all formats.
I am actually doing this song with a fill in band. After checking out the Arturia preset, I decided that I preferred the presets on my Casio CTK-7200. So, I used that for a gig yesterday.
But, I will definitely return to this thread and use it as a guide to explore an improved sounds in GP. I have the Arturia OB-Xa. Not sure I have the other plugins, but I can play around.
I think one big issue may be I just send out my audio in mono. This sound may really benefit from a full stero effect (?)
Well, I think there might be different opinions on that one, because live it’s a different story.
I heard rumors of stadium tours completely run in mono. Just keep in mind that people might not be standing in the middle of the speakers, so the extreme left and right should only be used for sound effects or things that are not that important. Also stereo acoustic instruments could be blown up to unnatural 20 meters in width on a large stage.
But on the other hand, PAs have become much better and there are also other things to consider: Do you trust your FOH engineer, do you want the sound to be good also in your stereo in-ear monitors or even on your live recordings?
Today I’d always go for stereo - chances are good that it’s better for you and at least not worse for the audience. Maybe you should turn down the effects a little bit, though.
ummm…you sure about that? (I kid of course. Everybody has a song no one else likes and everyone has a song they hate that everyone else likes…so fire away!! )
The funny part is you picked the two most notable “Objections” around lol
You’re right. I copied the settings to the VST3 versions of the Arturia plugins and the KORG MDE-X that happened to be installed anyway.
This is not the case for the Melda EQ, but I think it’s not that important because EQ is always up to personal taste.
If you don’t have the KORG MDE-X this is no problem, too: any simple delay (100 % wet signal, no feedback, ca. 50 ms) will do.
For live, you should consider replacing the latency-intense plugins (reverb, compressor and MELLO-FI). Van Halen - Jump (Florian) VST3.rackspace (75.4 KB)
Tryed to use this rackspace.Alltough it sounds nice, it’s unplayable. Every sound comes about 1 to 2 seconds after I press the keyboard keys.
It’s not a soundcard issue or audio config, because all my other rackspaces have no problems.