EDIT: Ive changed the title of this thread as it’s not just Arturia.
At a gig on Sat i was using my usual Gig file, and it all worked perfectly with my new MODX M7, except one new issue.
I have a Song/Rackspace set up to play Power of Love, and it has two variations. All the song other then the Break, and the Break. Ive been using this for over a year and never had an issue.
On Sat, switching to the Break song section and back to the main part left the Arturia VST playing a note. I couldn’t stop it (or stop playing) so had to turn it down. After the song i reset the Audio system and it stopped, but i managed to get it to do it again at home today. Bypassing the plugin mutes it but un bypassing it shows it’s still playing.
Im using a Widget to block note on when i switch to the Variation, and have checked its not blocking note off, or bypassing etc.
I cant see how its got anything to do with the M7, and its never happened before Sat. It’s only happening under certain circumstances, hit or miss if i can reproduce it to order, and interestingly only one note out of the chord id have been playing (and the same note each time).
FWIW, I run into stuck note issues with Arturia synths (and maybe others too)(maybe that’s a bit unfair since I use Arturia synths so often). I’ve tried blocking note-offs in using a midi filter (in addition to bypassing them).
Usually I am extra careful in terms of using the sustain pedal (avoid using it in some parts).
I think, in the future, if I really want to keep it from happening, I might try using a widget to just lower the mixer volume to zero for the problem variation/channel.
[But maybe if I return to that variation, the note will still be ringing out. If so, maybe an “action item” full notes off on the problem plug in?]
I had a few scares when i first started with GP. I had originally set Widgets to Bypass the Midi In blocks, but i did get a few hanging notes when switching and using the sustain pedal. Now i only use Block Note on. Never had any issues since i started doing this, until the other night. Even going to other Rackspaces and back didn’t stop the note sounding. Although resetting the audio system works (and i have a button set to do this on my MODX), i cant do it mid song.
Had another stuck note last night. This time it was with Rolands Zenology (which has been rock solid for ages), using a different version of GP.
Keeping an eye on things now. These have only started since I got a MODX M7. Can’t see it’s this, but thats the only thing that is new on this setup as far as I can see.
First time was direct USB connection from MODX to MacBook Pro. This was at a gig. Second (at home) via a powered hub. Been using both methods for over a year, and the Rackspaces are also tried and tested. I’ll be keeping an eye on things and try and note anything different. Could just be two coincidences. Normally at home i don’t worry about this sort of thing as im normally jumping around and do expect the odd glitch, although it’s been many, many months since i had a hanging note, an that was becuse i was using bypass on the midi in blocks and changing variations before the note off could get through
Actually ive just remembered one thing i have changed. I’m now using predictive loading set to 3. That is really the only change ive made inside GP. I’ve gone from 1 which i was using ok.
When i try and use the MODX as a controller for Logic, Logic goes haywire. I’ve had to disable midi 2 whenever i use that DAW. Will double check tonight to see what version is still being used. I haven’t had any other issues from the MODX, and it’s only happened when I’ve changed variations, an only once in two gigs.
Had a couple more instances last night. This time Zenology Pro and Labs.
With Labs im using a note block filter linked to a widget. I think that was the cause as it probably wasn’t getting a note off command. Taking that out seemed to fix that one.
With Zenology, im wondering if it’s because I have all midi channels receiving in the Midi in block’s Ive startedto go through all my rackspaces and turn off 2-16 in all midid in blocks. So far it seems to be fixing the issue.
The above Labs VST was also running off the same midi in block so as Zenology so I guess it could be either. I use Zenology a lot, but so far its happened with Arturia, Labs and Roland.
It only seems to happen when im changing variations/song parts.
Ive also disabled all other midi in ports other than MODX 1, as the MODX has 3 and maybe one of the others is sending something else out.
I had a lot of problems with organ plugins when I was using low quality midi controllers. Lots of missing note off (stuck notes).
Low quality controllers in my experience are M-audio oxygen line, Arturia Keylab mkII.
When I started to use things like Native Kontrol or Korg Keystage everything ran well. I think you are getting problems from your keyboard. Pity is a serious one. With Montage I had no problem in years.
When i first started with GP i was using an M-audio controller. I had no end of hanging notes with it. I did change to an Arturia Keylab MKII and all my note issues went away.
My MODX 7+ was fine, but the M7 seems to be less reliable, although im working through it. its not too bad, just one or two glitches every now and then. Doesnt seem manufacturer specific, as so far its been Arturia, Roland Cloud, Labs and Steinberg. Some will reset if i use the panic button and reset the audio system, but some dont.
Everything on midi channel 1, but all my Midi in blocks are Omni, and were all set to receive on all channels. Ive gone through all of them and turned off 2-16 in case that is the issue.
It’s quite possible that some plugins couldn’t properly handle receiving 16 simultaneous Note On messages followed by 16 NoteOff messages and so started dropping some events,
But that would only be an issue if your controller was sending on all channels (some certainly do send on multiple channels, depending on the configuration)
Save that configured MIDI. In block as a preset the. You can just insert it in the future so that you don’t have to keep manually configuring the plug-in to block other channels
That might be a risk, a note-on without a note-off might arrive from an unused port (e.g. local port, aggregated port) due to an external filtering user might forget or not notice.
Try to isolate the inputs if possible and reproduce.
The MODX is only sending out on midi channel 1. I have used midi monitor to confirm this. I have disabled all midi in ports other than Modx 1, GP Local and one called USB which I dont know what that is or where its come from, maybe its always been there. Im not using any aggregate devices.
I have always used Omni blocks without issue, but I appreciate it’s not ideal. Now everything is only going to receive on midi channel 1.
What worries me more, is a couple of times with the Artruria VST3, an audio system reset didnt fix it. I could see a note was depressed on the VST’s keyboard, and even playing it again didnt release it. Once I had moved to another Rackspace it stopped sounding, but when I went back, it was still playing. Easy to workaround at the time, but not ideal.
Yep, I have had this (with one of the V Collection plugins). I think I eventually stopped the note by finding the note causing the problem and actually playing the note (note on/off).
Sorry, I don’t have a perfect answer. In some songs, the sustain pedal definitely is a culprit. In some parts of songs I have written notes on my chart to not use the sustain pedal (not really needed in this part).
I suspect if I spent enough time I may well be able to track down the issue and really solve it (rather than my workarounds), but I chose to move on to other things instead.
Thanks for the reply. To be clear, I have tried to play that same not again but it’s still stuck on. Not always, most of the time just hitting the panic button fixes any issue, but on 2 occasions this didnt help. In fact both times with the Arturia VST. I did update the VST last night, and still got a hanging note, although this time I could play it again and it went away.
It’s strange that it’s happening with 4 different manufactures, and only since I got the mODX M7. That could be a coincidence though. I have a vague memory of it happening one with my old MODX, but just brushed it off at the time.
This isn’t starting when going between rackspaces/song’s, but between variations. I have no Bypass set, only Block note off. I had a few scares with the sustain pedal when I first started using GP and quickly changed all the Bypass widgets over. I do have sustain blocked on most of the Midi in blocks that aren’t piano, so that soghuldbe be causing this either.
I suppose a “brute force” way to “solve it” (which may work in some cases) it is to set the mixer to zero in the variation where you do not want to hear that plugin. I read one post where the user used that technique.
Thats pretty much what i have done in a couple of rackspaces, but without knowing if it will happen, or what causes it, im going to just keep an eye on things for now.