Just wondering if this is possible…
Is it possible to have a widget control a global “Fine Tune” of Pitch? Probably not, but I thought I’d ask. Seems if you use Gig Performer Live in conjunction with a non tunable instrument i.e. a “Pipe Organ” there’s no way to tune on-the-fly…except through the different VST’s, but not all can have a CC control the Fine Pitch (cents). I don’t believe Kontakt does… is there any way to do this? Thanks!
I don’t know if Gig Performer can do a global transpose in cents (I suspect not because that’s probably being done via MIDI, not via audio… and cents tuning support is going to be per VST) Am I
right?)
But if you are playing with a pipe organ that is perhaps tuned using, say, just intonation for example…
You might want to have a look at Pivotuner VST which employs MIDI pitch shift per VST to accomplish alternate tunings, and could even I think allow you to create a custom tuning preset to even match such a pipe organ for example…
Cool thing is because it uses MIDI pitch shift it will work with almost any VST.
Now if you need to match pitch with bagpipes, I’m afraid I won’t be able to help any further. Nor would anyone else be able to help.
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Hey thanks! Did not know about Pivotuner! So I’m going to check that out. It may work with some VI’s not sure. I’m not interested in alternate scale tunings, just want to match the overall fine tuning without having to go into each and every VI to write a new preset with the corrected pitch.
I can’t believe such a fundamental requirement was not provided for with CC automation! That would have made everything so much easier! Thanks again!
Sure it does. Assign a host parameter in Kontakt to the Tune knob. Then assign a widget in GP to that host parameter.
Adjust the widget scaling curve to suit so that the min/max adjustment is to your liking
and there you go
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Appreciate that advice, but that is per instrument. Is this possible “globally” in the master-view tune section?.
I need ALL instruments to be adjusted without having to do this on each one separately - or is this something GP can do as a global adjustment?
Thanks!
All instruments in a Kontakt plugin? All instruments in multiple Kontakt plugins? Or are you trying to do this with arbitrary plugins?
I think what you are searching for is a master tune just before you send it to your soundcard.
The master tune is manipulating the note numbers sent to plugins and not manipulating the pitch.
So a real-time audio pitch manipulation would be good for that.
Did you search for a special VST for that?
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And yet you have to believe it!
An organ or wooden flute plug-in will not have a function enabling it to modify the pitch of its notes because this is irrelevant.
Some plugins do have this function, which is specific to them because it has been built into their programming.
However, this function is not general because the information it has to process does not exist in the specifications of the MIDI standard defined by the MMA.
MIDI notes are presumed to be played in the tempered scale tuned on the basis of note A3 number 49 frequency 440Hz.
This automation can therefore only exist on a one-off basis and cannot be processed globally.
We come back to the only solution, which is global audio pitch (with pros and cons).
I hear what you are saying about the MIDI standard, but, forgive me for pressing on… Take Kontakt for example. It has a MASTER TUNE in the Master view section which can detune +/- however many cents you need, yet this is not map-able via a CC controller, knob or otherwise. If it were, I wouldn’t be having this discussion. The Pitch shifting sounds like it would work, but the XTra processing is something I’d rather avoid being that my rack spaces have multiple VST’s running at once.
Of course, Kontakt has the other semitone tuning knob - instrument-specific- which IS map-able, but therein lies the other quagmire… I would still have to control each independent loaded instrument and make the adjustments. That is too time consuming, especially if you find out 10 minutes before that all the VST’s are out with a non-tunable Pipe Organ. Not to mention non Kontakt players which have their own tuning procedures.
I was hoping for a holy grail of a single widget (or at least 1 PER rackspace) that could detune all master pitches +/- by a certain amount of cents… Make cents? Lol, pun intended.
I don’t know scripting, but is this something that could be baked in somehow to either the VST or GP?
Did you try a pitch shifter plugin?
Thanks for your response! I think it would be for all instruments in multiple Kontakt PI’s.
Let me set a real clear scenario:
I have a couple of dozen Plug-ins - Kontakt AND others (VSL, SF, OT etc) tuned to 432.96 to match the pipe organ…
I come in the next few days after a drastic change in temperature and find that my VST’s are out-of-tune with the pipe organ. The Pipe organ does not have a “Tuning” adjustment - because there are real pipes involved. Now what to do? I have to go into several rack spaces, and several instruments in each rack space… open the PI UI and make the adjustment…AND write the preset (or it’ll be forgotten the next day) when the temperature changes again, and the whole cycle repeats.
Ideally, A single widgets mapped, by group linkages, if necessary to control multiple VST tune parameters. Too bad GP doesn’t have a global parameter for Fine Tuning. It would have made everything so much simpler!
Hi Pianopaul, I’m worried about the CPU processing, any potential audio “artifacts” from pitch shifting - and ultimately the stability of that solution. No saying it wouldn’t work, but I’d rather try something I can map a widget to…
Just want to get back to you with additional info. Yes, This actually works! But the only thing is it’s on a per instrument, per instance level. Is there any way to control multiple instances of a PI with this?
I’d have to put multiple knobs, each controlling up to 16 instruments (That’s how many I can have on a single rackspace).
I guess I could put hidden linked widgets and control them from 1 master knob, but then there is the issue of different “players” such as Sine, Orchestral Tools, even SF Labs… I doubt they scale exactly the same…
Solutions like from kilo hearts are very cpu friendly and when you just fine tune I think there are no audible artifacts.
So even if GP could do this, it would have to do the same thing that any pitch shifting plugin would be doing, with the same CPU processing and potential audio artifacts as any other solution.
So why not just search for a decent polyphonic pitch shifter plugin and stick it at the end of your graph
I may be wrong, but I have the impression that you’re confusing audio and MIDI.
You are right but your talking abour audio, not MIDI.
Kontakt detunes audio samples like any audio pitchshifter. This has nothing to do with MIDI instruments.
Kontakt uses only MIDI controllers.
Thanks for your suggestions! I’ll check into some of the Pitch Shifters
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Hi Pianopaul! Is there any pitch shifter plugin you could recommend?
I do not use any Pitch Shifters, so I cannot recommend.