Setting the BPM changes delay Subdivisions instead

[jonathanthomas83]

On a Mac Mini M1, Big Sur. Gig Performer 4 PA unlocked. Running Gig Performer with Rosetta as per GP instructions in the Mac section.

I have NI Replika XT in a Global Rackspace (Same happens if it’s not in a Global rackspace). When changing from 120bpm to 150bpm, it’s fine but when I change back from 150bpm to 120bpm, it changes from 1/4 subdivisions to 1/8 subdivisions instead of persisting 1/4 notes and just solely changing the tempo.

Aim:
I’d like to be able to freely change the BPM accordingly when practicing with just a general rig without changing the subdivision of the delay plugin, in this case (Replika XT VST or AU same happens in both)

Many thanks for your time

[David-san]

Could you please explain the exact steps to reproduce this? How go you change the BMP?

[jonathanthomas83]

Sorry, I’m new here. The BPM readout at the top right hand corner of the screen is set to 120BPM. When changing to 150BPM by clicking in that box and subsequently typing in that box, everything works as it should. But when I repeat the process to lower the BPM back to 120BPM, the subdivisions on Replica XT physically change from 1/4 note to 1/8 note divisions instead of staying at 1/4 and just matching the new tempo.

[pianopaul]

As I have Replika XT, can you upload the rackspace, so I could check?

Or showing the 2 screenshots I can clearly see what is changing?

[jonathanthomas83]

Vox Clean.rackspace (21.1 KB)
Vox Dirty.rackspace (16.0 KB)
I’m not sure if the global rackspace is incluided in the attached exported rackspaces, sorry.
There’s nothing much to see but if you let me know what you want a screenshot of, I can post an image.
@pianopaul

[pianopaul]

please upload the global rackspace
you have to focus the global rackspace, then you can export it

or you upload the gig file

[jonathanthomas83]

Vox.gig (48.2 KB)
GLOBAL RACKSPACE.rackspace (10.7 KB)
Ah got you, here’s both, @pianopaul, thank you for your time.

[pianopaul]

Please enable this option, touch-friendly number editing.
Seems with this option not enable and you begin typing then as soon as 12 is typed in the system thinks it is 12 BPM !?

or you enter the BPM in this mode

Or you do not klick on the BPM number but drag it down

I think that all is no issue of GP but a very “clever” feature or Replica

[jonathanthomas83]

@pianopaul That’s exactly what’s happening, correct. But unfortunately, after enabling touch friendly number editing, the problem doesn’t go away. I will use your second method as that works…although it seems a shame to have to do that.

Thank you for your help on this. Is there a way to change the BPM via a widget on the rack face, by any chance?

[pianopaul]

Why do that
You can define the BPM in the rackspace properties.
Or in the Song Part Properties.
Then when you switch a rackspace or Song Part the BPM is set to the desired tempo.

[jonathanthomas83]

Mainly because I tend to switch tempo more than sounds (rackspaces), sometimes. But no probs, I’ll manage it that way thank you

[David-san]

@jonathanthomas83

Is there a way to change the BPM via a widget

Yes, you have to include the GP system actions plugin, and map your widget to its BPM parameter.

[pianopaul]

Exactly
Vox.gig (58.3 KB)

[jonathanthomas83]

@pianopaul and @David-san , thank you very much. Really appreciate your help.

[pianopaul]

Just a generic hint: It is worth to read the manual.
Not to remember everything, but many things are then very clear

And allways feel free to ask in this forum.

[jonathanthomas83]

Nothing in the manual to explain why replika was changing subdivision when changing BPM

But yes, I had a good look this evening and will continue to learn more about this game changing piece of software, I’m so grateful I found it and very thankful for your help, @pianopaul , thank you

[dhj]

@jonathanthomas83

Nothing in the manual to explain why replika was changing subdivision

Well, we can’t include information in our manual about how every 3rd party plugin works

[David-san]

@jonathanthomas83

Nothing in the manual to explain why replika was changing subdivision when changing BPM

I am happy if I could help, but to tell the truth, I still can’t figure out how the subdivision was changed by lowering the BMP. What does actually happen?

[pianopaul]

It is easy to reproduce:

When “TOuch-freindly number editing” is not activated and you click in the BPM field then you can type in the tempo.
For example 150 is the tempo and you begin to typ
1 then 2 and then 12 is autmatically shown as tempo and then Replika descides that wiht this tempo the bar/beat does not make sense and switches.

When touch-friendly is activated you have to type in and then press enter to apply the new BPM.

That is the trick.

So Replika has buitl in a clever feature, or not so clever - as you like

[David-san]

OK, I understand. I first understood that the GP subdivision has been changed, but it was the one if Replika. Now it is clear, thanks.