Rig Manager - missing piece - changing uppers

[jweisgal]

Im sure I’m missing something obvious (yes I read the manual and watched the YouTube video on rig manager) -

• using my Arturia upper 49 key as the pads and pitch bend and mod wheels - as the controllers for my 88 key lower rig (the lower im using doesn’t have pads or controllers)

the pads are assigned as are the sliders and knobs - great

how do I

1 - Change the upper from what is normally a widi out to my keytar to the keys of the Arturia 49 for playing (its hardwired at this rig)

2 - the pitch bend and mod wheels aren’t working for the lower as I mapped - non responsive

[jeffn1]

I don’t know anything about the the “widi out”.

Are you trying to use the top keyboard pitch bend/mod wheel to affect the internal sounds of the lower keyboard?

Or is the sound you want to apply pitch bend/mod wheel to from a plugin? (Kontakt, soft synth, etc.)

[jweisgal]

I want to use the pitch and mod to control the bottom keyboard sounds (which are also VST - it’s just that the current rig doesn’t have those controls on it )

[jeffn1]

I am still confused. You say they are “bottom keyboard sounds” but you also say “which are also vst”.

Are the sounds internal keyboard sounds generated by the hardware keyboard?

[jweisgal]

No - two controllers

My main rig:

is Arturia 88 key on the bottom connected usb
The top key board is my keytar 49 from Roland - I connect that using widi pro (Bluetooth connection)

Current rig trying to set up:

I’m trying to use rig manager at a location where the bottom 88 keys have no controls other than sustai pedal and keys

So I want to use the top Arturia mk2 49 key in place of the keytar for the upper - but use the pads and wheels and sliders and knobs for the bottom 88

[tripleB]

Hm, your screenshot does not match your explanations

What I can see:

• there’s a Keylab 49 in your screenshots but no 88 (lower)
• the lower board is a Roland Digital Piano?
• the WIDI is not mapped/assigned (missing)
• you are not using the MIDI in from Rig Manager in your rackspace, but the WIDI directly?

[pianopaul]

What you need is a gig script which injects controller messages from one MIDI device to another device.
I think that is not a job for Rig Manager

[jweisgal]

Ok illl take my main set up and attach that as a starting point - and start over

I can remap all the controls aliases to the new Arturia 49 key again - including the mod and pitch wheel

the other thing is the Arturia Korg m1 has specific midi channels - and I need it to seamless work with that instrument (I tried a set up and some of the VST work - but that one doesn’t output)

[jeffn1]

So (at least) one of your objectives is to use the mod wheel and pitch bend of the upper controller to affect plugins that are otherwise controlled (note on/note off/velocity/etc.) by the lower controller?

I would think you could create a second midi in block for the upper controller and connect it to any plugins controlled by the upper controller and in the midi in block, block all messages except pitch bend and mod wheel. (?) (But you’d have to do it in every rackspace for every plugin).(You could also use the Midi Filter plugin).

I guess where the scripting would help is to automatically do this without setting this up in every rackspace (?).(Like Paul said).

Not sure about Rig Manager (not my strong suit ;)).

[jweisgal]

Correct Jeff - wanted to take advantage of the wheels on the top which I don’t use with my performance set up (I use the keytar on my main set up) - and map them to the wheels which I do use on the 88 key bottom.

ts not mission critical now (the wheels) - and sounds like a project for me - as long as the pads and the sliders and knobs work - its enough for practice (that’s what this set up is for)

Here is the Current set up and while it seems like im getting the keys working properly - the Arturia Korg is not sending out sounds that normally work on the main set up - I think It may be the way the m1 assigns midi channels for sounds - I think there is an elegant way around that - when its widi assigned those are directed to channel 2 (as seen on the M1 VST) - once I set up the Arturia the sounds won’t come out unless I go into the VST and change the channel back to 1 - ?

I agree - I don’t want to have to change any rackspace - just make a rig change

[jeffn1]

I wonder if System Actions is any use here (unlikely, but just a thought).

The thought is maybe “system actions” would allow to apply pitch bend and modulation to whatever plugin in active.

I’m basically pretty sure I’m off base, but figured I’d throw it out there (to be shot down).

[pianopaul]

here a gig script which could help

var UPPER : MidiInDevice
    LOWER : MidiInDevice

//Called when a CC message is received at some MidiIn device
On ControlChangeEvent(m : ControlChangeMessage) from UPPER
 InjectMidiEventViaRigManager(LOWER, m)
End

[jweisgal]

thanks Paul - is there a good reference on loading scripts or a video walkthrough? never done scripts before

[pianopaul]

It is very easy.
Start Gig Performer
Load your Gig File

Now open the gig script editor by selecting the menu entry “Gig Script Editor”

In the code replace UPPER and LOWER by your actual Rig Manager MIDI Device Aliases

Paste the code and press the “Compile” Button

And here the official documentation

Introduction to GPScript for Gig Performer