I see a lot of people using an audio interface when using GP and I have done so too and from there my part was going to a mixer.
However, I‘m thinking of running the whole band through GP, using some tempo synched delays on vocals or other effects for certain Songs, beside my keys/synth parts. I was thinking of using a A&H CQ18-T as my „interface“. I usually play in small venues with no FOH so just speakers are connected to the mixer and we would use 4 IEM mixes via the digital mixer
Would this be an option or would I get into problems with latency or something else I might not have thought of?
I would say it would work. im thinking that because GP is less taxing than a DAW so you shouldn’t have anymore latency than if you used a daw. I had my band run through Logic Pro usb into my Behriger x32 Rack and not only did it work but I was able to record the whole thing.
adding delays and verbs even guitar amp sims can work but there’s ways to do it using busses in Logic Pro so that it doesn’t use as much resources.
Making things more complicated is so much easier to do these days.
I have an interface for my computer that has 16in/16out channels to the computer. I can set GP up process input from all of those anyway I want, including channel strips on my GP panel. I can then route the output from all of that to any combination of the 16 out channels.
I have a Tascam Model 2400 that has 22in/4 stereo groups, and 2 main outs. It connects to a computer and acts as an interface but it has physical sliders and knobs rather than on screen manipulation. I can route the internal digital channels as 24in/24out in any combination.
I’ve used a Behringer RX-18 like that Tascam except that there is no physical control, only on-screen. You could control the internals of the mixer directly or control the channels with GP.
The middle grade Yamaha mixers have lots of channels. You might end up using DANTE to make connections. There is a software package allows your computer’s ethernet port to act as a DANTE interface.
With software controls (GP directly, Behringer/Yamaha digital), you can save your settings to provide a baseline. With something like the Tascam (which is physical controls but no motors), you get to start from scratch at each new venue.
More equipment means more potential failure points and more troubleshooting. I would think that if GP can handle the load, let it do everything. Use the money saved on extra equipment to buy a backup computer for GP in case of computer failure.
I think it ends up boiling down to personal preferences.
Thank you for your response, it’s very much appreciated. I’m wondering, what audio interface do you use with 16in/16out? My thought about going with the A&H CQ18-T was that I get 8 mic preamps with it. Besides, it seems quite easy to set up (my knowledge about mixers is quite basic and I don’t really want to dig deep, I just want to perform in the end of the day) and it has a gain/feedback assistant, which I find quite interesting.
DANTE seems quite daunting to me (haha) and frankly probably overkill for my needs. I’d like to keep it as simple as possible, carrying as little as possible but having some flexibility. I wouldn’t mind physical controls, but I can live with a touch screen, as I don’t plan to change the faders much during a live show, as I would have to do it myself.
The Behringer RX-18 seems also like an interesting option. Thanks for pointing this out.
I am new to GP and before I used VSTHost to play instrumentals on my guitar with a backing track.
One of the things I use is an RCF M18 digital mixer that is controlled with an iPad and connected to two active monitors. My floorboard is a Behringer FCB1010 and the MIDI controls come through a Roland Rubix 22 to both the Mixer and the Laptop via a THRU splitter that since shortly has GP.
In fact this is the setup as I used with VSTHost and converted to be used with GP.
VSTHost could load BTs but it was impossible to control the BT volume separately from the lead guitar in real time.
That was the reason I uploaded the BTs to a USB stick that could be controlled via the M18 by the iPad.
The FCB1010 sends “next” CCs to both the laptop and the M18. This results in simultaneous control of the patch (rackspace) and the BT.
The iPad is located on a microphone stand I only use it to start the BT. When I want to do the next tune I just step on the next key.
Now I am getting more and more to know about GP it is clear to me these things can be controlled differently and probably easier.
Well the question was is there anybody using a digital mixer with GP.
The Tascam Model 2400 is both mixer and interface. It has a USB port I can plug the computer in to and select any of 24 channels to send and/or receive from. All of that while still being a true analog mixer. It doesn’t use the highest quality preamps. But it serves a purpose and provides hardware controls.
I have a behringer UMC1820 that has 8in/8out. When I pair that with an ADA8200, I get 16in/16out. GP can see all of those channels. You would have to use software, like GP, to handle the mix.
The Behringer RX-18 is a true digitial mixer and you plug a computer in to control it using provided software. You can connect a second computer with software not provided (I use WaveForm free) to record all channels. I only used this where GP managed keyboards and one guitar and everything else went directly to the RX-18. I had GP on a laptop using a Behringer UMC404HD where 2 outs carried stereo keyboard, 1 carried guitar, and 1 carried my vocals processed by Waves Harmonies. I only sing backups when I can and I need tuning assistance.
Looks like the A&H CQ18 would be similar to the RX-18.
That’s probably a good option for what @baesil is trying to do. I was recording before I got into GP and never ran the entire band through GP so there wasn’t really any need or option to change for me. If the computer can handle the extra load, you should go for it.
Thank you all for the responses, I really appreciate it. So the gist of it is that it should be possible as long as the laptop will handle the load (that’s another topic to find out). I don’t really need to record everything, for me it’s more about setting it up for live performance and having a quick recall, but it’s nice to know that it’s also possible to do so.
Yes I use the wing rack and it works perfectly with.my setup. I set the usb outs on the wing and bring in whatever I want to process to gig performer then back to the wing.
Good to hear! Thank you for your feedback. I also had a look at the Wing Rack, it has quite a lot more to offer compared to the CQ18-T but is less compact and needs a router. A very interesting piece of gear though