You shouldn’t need to save the patch within Kontakt at all as Gig Performer stores he current state of the plugin which means it will reload exactly as it is when you reload your gig file.
I’ve just checked in Kontakt 7 and it doesn’t seem to have that option anymore, it probably does streaming from disk by default. I don’t have Kontakt 6 or earlier on my system any more so can’t easily check where that setting is for those versions.
I continue to avoid K7….apart from their UI changes that have made it harder to find what I need, it still seems buggy as hell. I’m sticking with K6 as long as I can
Interesting, I’ve not had any problems myself with K7, though I’m pretty much using it mostly just for Sessions Horns Pro… plus I’m on Windows if that is different to your experience.
I am still in Kontakt 6.5.2
But note that Salomao is not really loading all samples (or portions os the samples via disc streaming). He’s trying to avoid that to save ram when the Gig file is loaded.
So, instead he is loading new Combinations via a widget (and/or script) triggered when he changes rackspaces.
This is basically the same topic that’s been raised here in others posts (David cautioned users about doing this).(With the difference that in this case the plugin is in the Global Rackspace).
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Aah, I misread the context… in which case my suggestion doesn’t really apply.
actually applies, as far as issues with RAM management are concerned, but not for the original purpose of this topic
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That is still unclear to me as you have stated that once Kontakt loads, everything works fine.
How big is the physical gigfile on disk?
Around 200 MB.
I said that the noises and sound gaps go away after playing a few notes. That happens in some rackspaces and not only in kontakt instruments. And I believe its a RAM issue since I have not that kind of problem when using smaller gigfiles or preditive loading.
Hello Salomao!
With this scriptlet (in the gobal rackspace), the set combinations are called up correctly when the rackspace or variation is changed.
Hope this works for you.
Triton test_LeeHarvey_V5(2).gig (772.8 KB)
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You, know, the more I think about this, the more Salamao’s experiment, if it works out (I know others have done similar things), may have substantial implications to GP users, and maybe even GP and possibly the big hardware keyboard developers/manufacturers (Korg, Roland, Yamaha, Etc.)
My understanding is the “sounds” (instruments, whatever) used in hardware instruments are very optimized for relatively small amounts of ram (because of the cost of memory and maybe availability too). So, Korg, Roland, etc., as I understand it, put a lot of effort into getting quality usable sounds within a relatively small memory (and hard drive) footprint. They put a lot into making these sounds work pretty well out of the box.
High end software samples libraries have been developed for a somewhat different purposes and different limitations. They were basically developed for use in stand alone computers by people using them for media production (film, tv, commercials, as well as studio recording). The original large orchestral libraries required that you place specific articulations where you wanted in a composition. Later, keyswitching evolved to get you closer to real-time playability. Over the last 10 years, these libraries have become more playable in real time. But, they often have many articulations, which can be difficult to access in real time.
But, the main point is computer ram (and lap top ram) was not quite as potentially limiting to us
if you would like to have all your “sounds” available at all times, like you do in a keyboard workstation and you want (close to) immediate to all your sounds. Look at the sample sizes of the big orchestral libraries, piano libraries, Atmosphere, etc.
So, if Salomoa’s experiment with Triton Extreme works, it may show a way for GP users to get all the benefits of a high-end hardware keyboard with all the benefits of GP in a laptop.
Basically if Korg Extreme uses the same optimized sample sets as its hardware, maybe you can switch through the sounds via widgets (using variations or how Salomao is looking to do it in the Global Rackspace, which is probably even better) without loading all those sounds in the Gig File (and without the limitations of Predictive Loading)
If he is able to switch the Korg Extreme sounds without any stability issues and in without much delay, that is a big benefit.
It may be an approach other users want to pursue, it may be sales opportunity for Korg etc. al., and it may affect how GP developers approach their work.
Anyway, just thinking…
You can already trivially do that kind of thing with GP and external hardware. First of all, MIDI out blocks can be configured to send program changes to external hardware when you select a rackspace. Secondly, program changes can be sent to hardware from song parts. Thirdly, program changes can be send to hardware using widgets by simply attaching a widget to the PC parameter of a MIDI Out block.
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Superb work on triton- just played around with it
Yes, but the issue is having access to quality optimized low-ram sounds to use within Gig Performer that are immediately accessible, but do not have to be loaded in as part of the Gig file every time (without using Predictive Loading).
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Again, if the plugin supports it, you can already send PC changes to it directly pretty much the same way.
The issue, as has been observed often, is that it is not guaranteed to be instant.
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Got ya. But I guess all I am saying, if these are optimized like the samples/programs on the keyboards (moderate memory footprint), maybe that will work fine.
And you still have the amazing flexibility of GP to add sounds that are better than the top hardware rigs and effects, and layering, and control, and everything else GP gives you.
I have no words to express my immense gratitude to @LeeHarvey .
I admire the generosity with which he made himself available, for nothing, to explore the question I posed and find a solution.
In an increasingly selfish and materialistic world, it’s no longer easy to find people like that.
Thank you very much.
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But in this forum it seems to me that everyone has gathered together! When I started working with GP script, there were always nice people here who were quick to help. 
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