Audio clipping

Regarding your hardware situation, i actually think it’d be quite a good plan! :+1:

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Then you’re trying to use plugins that require more CPU cycles than are available to your processor.

Definitely too slow — as someone observed, Omnisphere requires 2.4Ghz at least and you had two of those running in a single rackspace.

If your plugins are not working perfectly well with a DAW, then there’s very little chance of their working perfectly with a live performance host

Quite the opposite – DAWs do not need as much “power” as a real-time plugin host because, other than the track that is currently being recorded (say), all the audio for other tracks can be calculated in advance (because the data is already in tracks). In a live-performance host, nothing can be calculated in advance because, until someone actually plays a note, you can’t calculate anything.

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I am no tech guru, but I think, simply, your problem is this:

Processor Intel(R) Core™ i5-8265U CPU @ 1.60GHz 1.80 GHz

Jeff

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1.6GHz is the base frequency. The turbo of that cpu is 3.9GHz. But the cpu is a ‘U’ version. These are not known for being very fast. ‘H’ versions are much better.

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This is invaluable information I wish I had known before… Thank you!

I also don’t use my DAW to record with this laptop.
I just load the instruments, click SOLO and REC on the tracks I want to use together (layered). All I need to change is volumes and sometimes panning. I could have 4 or 5 running at once.

When I say it’s not perfect, I mean this : if I don’t play heavy chords and hold the sustain pedal too long, I can be good. But if I forget myself (it’s music after all :slight_smile: ) sometimes the laptop starts coughing reminding me to lay-off.

So - system requirements for GP should also take into account those virtual synths/libraries own requirements. Which also means - it seems - that no VST host could replace a DAW for the usage I have in mind due to the way they operates under the hood. Not with the machine I have right now anyways.

A DAW is also a VST host (unless it doesn’t support VST plugins, but that’s not likely).

I think you could say that no live performance host is capable of doing what you have in mind. That’s because the workload you want to assign is more than that your cpu is capabel of handling (at the same rate the data is coming in).

(That’s what it looks like to me, anyway)

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We have no way to know what plugins a particular user will want to use. GP’s own needs are negligible (perhaps using up to 1% of the audio thread)

I think you’re getting confused about the meaning of “VST host”. Your DAW and Gig Performer are both VST hosts. Indeed, even programs for creating musical scores can host plugins. VST hosts are a dime a dozen.

What makes GP different is not that it is a VST host but rather due the way that it manages VST plugins specifically for real time live performance, as opposed to a DAW that focuses on recording. That “real time” adds significant demands to a CPU because the plugins have to respond instantly rather than having their audio prepared in advance (which is how a DAW mostly does things)

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You told us that you tried the templates?
The templates use the bundled plugins.

I don’t get any clipping with Core2Duo and 4 GB of RAM with the built-in templates.

OK, so I fixed all that and I have sound, thank you. But now the sound is clipping, even with only one instrument (the rest muted) and the levels dropped at -32, it’s clipping when I play regularly. So I’m once again turning to you guys for help, as a newbie. I checked everything, compared with my DAW (all sounds great there), updated by Focusrite drivers, no joy. Buffer at 512, @44.1 KHz.

What could be causing this bottleneck?

I’m loading my file in case that help.

Thanks!

GIG-BASELINE_2.gig (4.2 MB)

What happens when you use the inbuilt audio card?

As mentioned in the other thread, we believe your computer is not sufficiently fast to handle plugins.

Also as mentioned, DAWs are not as demanding as live performance hosts since they can precalculate the needed audio and don’t have to do it all in real time.

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The question is, if @andrelefebvre was just creating a midi track and played back or if he played via MIDI controller in real time.

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Hi, yes, MIDI controller in real-time. I use my DAW to load instruments on various tracks and depending on my needs I engage the tracks or not (SOLO + REC). But the conclusion to those past few days tackling GP is that the requirements of the instruments I use also have to be taken in consideration, and that a DAW and GP manage the instruments differently.

Cheers,

Andre

Can you create a gig file with 1 rackspace and Kontakt 8 as only plugin and test?

Yes I did that yesterday, and it didn’t glitch at low velocity, but it started glitching when I started playing high velocity and when I added a second instrument.

Can you test with the included plugin in Gig Performer
KeysOfThe70s ?

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Probably trivial, but gonna put it out there for anyone else experiencing issues with clipping or “crackling”… My laptop is a high performance gaming system. If it is running on battery (not plugged in) I get audio issues. Just a tip in general; not sure it applies here.

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That’s not uncommon: On battery, to save energy the cpu performance is decreased. For some systems the batteries are just not sufficient to have the system running at full speed.

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I think running your laptop on battery when using GP falls in the category: “Don’t Do That!”

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That was a double negative :wink:

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