Guitar plugins thoughts

Thank you. What is happening with me :joy:

Modern technology and flexibility it provides makes it much better than traditional amps overall.

If you have techies and roadies and play in large venues then the downsides of traditional amps may not matter that much, and the “real pros” more often then not choose them over convenience and flexibility of modern technology for the 1% gain in the way stuff feels when they are playing. So that was the worst argument you could possibly bring up to back up the point you were making.

Then “modern technology” is too broad of a term, it includes outright crappy and excellent solutions. So “modern technology” doesn’t mean much.

Comparing aliasing to audiophile stuff is also wrong because audiophile stuff is something that only exists in audiophile heads. Aliasing is a real phenomenon, and a lot of money is spent by manufacturers to fight it, they don’t just do it for fun. Guitars lost in live mixes are a real phenomenon, I’m sure you’ve been to concerts where you hear atonal fizz instead of guitar sound. Also, the fact that some equipment is easier to set up in a way that it sounds good is a real thing.

So no matter how much fun it may be to dismiss an argument with an ad hominem attack, it is a bad tactic that doesn’t make your point right. :wink:

And then it gets recorded to a digital medium using ad converters which introduce some non-linearities or analogue tape which with noise (and a bias signal to compensate for the coercion needed fir magnetic recording. That bias signal typically interferes with the recording). After that somehow it makes it to an ogg-vorbis file or mp3, all with there artifacts, I download it, put on my cheap apple inear headphones and I go wild because it sounds like the real deal. :rofl:

Who has made an ad hominem attack?

Well, we have plenty of professional guitarists using GP who are clearly ok with plugins. I’m also personally familiar with several world-class (and well known) guitarists (some of with whom I’ve had the pleasure of touring around the world) who have used either 100% modeling and in some cases Gig Performer.

Then there are performers like Igor Paspalj, who was voted Guitar World Magazine’s 2020 Electric Guitarist of the Year also working with GP - he has done quite a few videos for us as well. Here’s one on latency. I’d say he qualifies as a Pro as well.

These kinds of “Coke or Pepsi, Mac or PC, Analog or Digital” discussions always devolve into a bunch of meaningless, prideful words when they go on too long—which this one has.

I have a decent PRS electric guitar equipped with a piezo pickup. I know that piezo doesn’t sound entirely like a ‘real acoustic guitar’. It doesn’t have to. I work with the tones it does make, and when properly crafted the effect of such balanced against the sound of the electric pickups is enough to give the ambience and feel of an acoustic, not only to the audience but to me as well while I’m playing it.

I have a decent Roland e-drum kit. I know its doesn’t sound entirely like a ‘real drum set’. It doesn’t have to. I work with the tones it does make, and when properly crafted and blended into the entire mix gives all the ambience and energy of a real drum kit, not only to the audience but to me as well while I’m playing it.

The point is, there’s no ‘right or wrong’ here. You work with what you have and if you’re crafty enough, you can make things that otherwise aren’t ‘great’ on their own sound magnificent. Think about what guitarists in the latter half of the 20th century were able to do with near-blown tubes, badly grounded cords, power supply fluctuations, etc. To the ‘acoustic purists’ in that time, it all sounded horrible. The audiences thought otherwise.

You did, of course

Ad hominem is when when instead of arguing about the essence you downplay the speaker, so you brought up “real pros” who don’t care about any of the stuff I was talking about (which is coincidentally not true despite some anecdotes you brought up later), and also put me in the category of audiophiles who worry about all kinds of non essential/imaginary stuff.

Why even ask the question? :man_shrugging:

That’s all true.

Avoiding digital is some sort of a phobia mostly, I think.

However, I do understand why it happens, and in some cases the problems are real, especially with bad digital solutions.

Do you see anyone here who’s arguing for analog?

Or did you just assume that this is what the discussion is about, based on… Based on what? :slight_smile:

You obviously missed the point.

I only tried to point out that before a performance reaches the listener , the sound itself has been butchered (all with good intentions) to some degree and still the listener is very pleased (depending if he/she likes it anyway of course).

Or you did, has this occurred to you?

The listener isn’t always pleased, and I’m not talking about musical skills of the performer, problems with sound do exist.

I think I will not go on with this discussion. That’s not because you’d offended me in any way or because I offended you (hopefully not: I do not wish to annoy you). It’s mainly because communicating using a platform like this forum is rather tiring and it’s difficult to get clear what someone exactly means. There’s a good chance I agree to some level with you and you with me. :beers:

So live long and prosper :nerd_face: