Another Laptop Spec Question

Thanks. I really appreciate you checking out and posting.

This type of “check” reduces the chance I will walk into something that’s a problem. There is a lot of knowledge and experience here.

Jeff

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Personally, I would steer clear of Dell laptops for real time audio, unless you can find a latencyMon test result for the exact model you are buying.

Past models, including their flagship XPS models, have had massive issues with DPC Latency - the acpi.sys process causes interrupts in the region of 1600us which is no good at all.

Lots of ‘fixes’ suggested on the internet… yet to find one that works. And I’ve tried a lot!

Google “Dell DPC Latency” and you’ll see what I mean

There is a tool ThrottleStop for Dell users. Allegedly, it works great. LINK

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The link to a Throttlestop download on CNET is here: LINK

CPU throttling is a feature to protect CPU overheating for various reasons, a serious concern for laptops, so take note of the advice on power consumption monitoring and CPU heating. In the Dell cases, it sounds like the issue was caused by inaccurate reporting of CPU temperatures.

However, as for my own experiences, I have an ASUS ROG motherboard which includes an app that regulates CPU loading depending on how “green” you feel, how “power” conscious you are, blah, blah blah. There are default settings but you can also make your own custom settings. The tool is powerful enough that you can get yourself into a pickle. Good intentions, but the moral is if you do have CPU throttling it can be caused by any number of issues, including self-inflicted. The tool is a handy way to circumvent a lot of problems without extensive troubleshooting - but be aware of the trade-offs. Windows again. One of these days I might just buy a MAC and dedicate it to use as an AW.

I don’t want to scare anyone off, but what @Matt commented is really a thing. Has not much to do with cpu speed. It is a nasty problem in acpi support for the Dell-XPS series. So my advise would be: Check out with latencymon first before buying an XPS.

I know that at least in the past this problem was never solved by Dell, so I steer away from Dell laptops, although I’m normally rather a fan from Dell…

Another one that has already been mentioned on this form somewhere: Quick CPU - Real time performance optimization and Sensor monitor

How about this one?

(If you have a link for a 64 gb ram machine with good specs, decent number of fast ports (don’t need/want large screen), I am interested…)

Jeff

Sorry for being negative, but I would not buy this one. Check out

The cpu-type-number ends with G7. G == optimized for Graphics.

You should have an ‘H’ or ‘HK’ cpu.

And I think 4 cores is rather low nowadays depending on the number of GP instances you plan to run.

It’s not a bad laptop, but probably not for you :cry:

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Thank you. Yes, I am looking for a relatively high end laptop…

But I was thinking the G7 meant the processor handled graphics. So, unlike a computer made for high end graphics (which I do not have any need for) you are not paying for the additional graphics card.

If I am not using high end graphics, I thought that a “G” chip was okay.

I have never used multiple instances of GP and I do not think I would. So, I don’t think I need a lot of cores for my purposes. But, maybe i am wrong.

My biggest issue is lots of ram. I really do not want to use predictive loading and I love the flexibility of having all my rackspaces readily available. Over time, I will tend to steadily increase the amount of ram loaded. Actually, if I could spend some more $$ on 128 GB of ram, that would be a good option. But, at this point you are paying a huge premium for this (what some people would consider overkill). I am guessing the prices will come down, but…

In terms of CPU speed, I think I am okay. I suppose (if more ram was not an option) I would spend a couple of hundred more for an even more powerful processor (I guess) but I don’t think I need it. Unlike a DAW am am not running multiple CPU draining VSTs at the same time. I am sort of limited by the fact I only have two hands (I resist anything with a click track).

Anyway, I definitely appreciate the input on this forum. Thanks!

I’ll keep researching.

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PS, you were not negative. I think you’re right.

I may try to hold on for a few months to see if 128 GB ram machines become less exotic and prices become a bit more accessible.

You think right: it has an inbuilt gpu: Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics.

It has a TDP lower than 30W, a base clock close to 3GHz, RAM can reach 64Gb, 4 cores is not that bad for a small laptop. Many laptops don’t have such a « good » CPU. So, which CPU for a laptop would you advice? (And I would say a reasonable Laptop, because for some laptops the power supply is as big as small desktop PC :grimacing:… e.g. Clevo)

Thanks, David and everyone, it’s not quite the right one.

But, do we agree Lenovo has fewer issues than Dell with this (audio) use?

Jeff

Ok. I use a laptop myself, but because I’m rather nearsighted, I go for at least 17”. So I do not care about the size of the powersupply, because the laptop is rather heavy anyway.

About the cpu: until the 10th gen intels laptop I7 cpu’s not being an ‘H’ or ‘HK’ performed rather average, especially the ‘U’ version. An mobile I7-xxxxU performed comparable to a desktop I5 (experience figures), so thats where my tendency to only go for ‘H’ versions originates from.

Some Gen 11 cpu’s do still follow that naming scheme, but I admit: more than 4 cpu cores is not very common. So, :flushed: maybe the cpu proposed by @jeffn1 is really not bad. But (to my humble defense) the laptop itself is a thinkpad and that range focuses primarily on reliability, long battery-life and other aspects that are important from a business perspective. This range focuses not so much on sheer power (unless you’re willing to pay >= $3000,00).

My laptop has an I7-10750H @ 2.6GHz. 6/12 cores/threads.

I think the “U” is the one to avoid. But, I agree H or HK seem good.

I think I want to look for a Lenova laptop with a higher end processor and 64 GB of ram that can be expanded to 128 in the future. (Right now the $$ premium for 128GB ram is nuts).

So, I think I need to be able to confirm that my prospective laptop can definitely be upgraded in the future to 128 GB of ram.

I’d love to avoid paying for multiple cores (more than 4, I think), a high-end graphics card, a larger display, a touchscreen, more than one TB of internal storage, etc.

Jeff

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I actually bought an external touchscreen: It saves me buying a fixed midi controller: I created a gig file with all the buttons and texts I need.

Not usable as foot-controller though :boom: :slight_smile:

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Okay, I went with a Lenovo that I think includes everything I want, without the things I did not need (no separate graphics card, etc.)

64GB ram upgradeable to 128 GB.

It is a bit larger than I would have preferred, but I don’t think I could get the specs I got with a smaller machine.

(If someone is interested in the details, I will post it).

Not exactly a Laptop, as I rather need to replace my NUC PC by something with a similar form factor and more RAM, but I found, this which could possibly do the job:

I didn’t see a DPC Latency for this model, but it performed well with the older IT 8.

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It seems like some of this is a crap shoot.

I think I got lucky my Dell XPS 13 that I converted to this use. (Or maybe it is more accurate to say I was not among the percentage of GP users who are “unlucky”).

Fingers cross with this new Lenova Thinkpad 16…

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I’m interested in hearing are you satisfied with the results :slight_smile:

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