Chow Matrix / a Delay / Freeware / friendly on the CPU

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Heya all,

this is a heads up for the Chow Matrix. A Delay. Freeware
scroll down a bit: Chowdhury DSP - Products
its a Delay that can be used very creativly, or very simple. as you wish

i made recently a CPU test with delays and loaded allways 20 times the same delay into one rackspace. This with several delays. With each delay to its own rackspace.
—> stunningly the Chow Matrix turned out to be very friendly on the CPU !
My next choice would be then the Valhalla Delay, vs. CPU friendlyness, from what i´ve tested.

also: it allows for great things vs. creative working. Working with Panorama for example.
I´ve myself not created delay “branches” so far…just did simple one tap uses.
What i can say: i Very much like the tape-pitch effect on this one, for doing funny or “funky” things.
I also created morph controls to control the panning at same time with the time parameter,
and had great times with it ! its now one of my favorite Delay tools.

again: its freeware !
it IS M1mac compatible ( arm native)

con:
i lose sometimes some controls within my morph setups.
seting up morph-controls setups is eating up double the widget number, since one has to use one widget per L-R side

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need to page @dhj

cause:
i like this reverb. i use it for “creative tasks”.
BUT: it loses “contact” to my widgets !
Now: i want to contact the maker and hope i can convince him to look into it,…vs. GP4.

my question is now:
is there any “additional info” respectivly “thoughts” that could be helpful to have, when contacting him ?

my additional info on this vs. what i´m doing with this plugin:
the chow delay has its parametrisation avaliable per channel ( L-R).
So i need two widgets to control one parameter as a L-R pair.
i created morph controls. So i run 4 or even 6 widgets per one chow Delay instance.

and of top of that:
Do my patches consist of a number of four chow delays in one line.
( Each Delay block on a own mute button (bypass))
So i have one HW control controlling something like up to 24 widgets just for the four Chow delay blocks.
( my strong guess is: that “this all” (vs. number of widgets) plays no role vs. the chow Delay losing contact / but i wanted to mention it )
( and to make it clear: i never had any such “issue” with any other plugin / so its clear to me that there is “something” to loook into on the plugin side)
So, is there something i can tell this guy that might help him ?

(also to notes: ----> i´m quasi permanently “playing” with that HW control fader / permanently modulating the delaytime manually / and also all other parameters with it ( Feedback / Pan)

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What does that even mean?

Yes….problem (whatever it is) doesn’t occur with other plugins :wink:

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[quote=“dhj, post:3, topic:10388”]
What does that even mean?
[/quote] With “loses contact” i meant:
the parameters in question would no longer react to altering the value of the widgets.
its like there is no longer a connection between the widget and the respective parameter.
Thanks David

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Are the parameters still showing as mapped to the widgets?

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Yes, all of them !
And in all cases, when i lost the connection from the widget to the specific parameter !

i had in past weeks some other occasions ( with other plugins/blocks) where i was under the opinion that i have lost widget mappings “that i have donne bevore”.
But in all these cases were NO mappings any lionger available in the widget parameter mapping dialog.
Here with the chow delay thats all completely different.
As sayed: all my settings remain within the edit dialog fields of GP

Thanks for caring David.
its a great plugin.
it allows for funny things

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Definitely a bug in the plugin - widgets are sending values - if the plugin doesn’t respond, it’s broken

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FWIW: I’ve been experimenting with this plugin for the last hour. I assigned several widgets to different parameters within the plugin. I saved, closed and re-opened GP several times. I haven’t lost any connections.

macOS Monterey 12.3.1

Also…this plugin is a lot of fun to play with!

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It’s again the old song…
Helping would probably be too easy, if we just would have the regarding rackspace available, so that we could try ourselves this particular setting.
But an ever lasting question and answer game is so much more fun.
Sorry for being sarcastic, but during the last days this behavior is really getting worse - if intended or not… i don’t know. Life could be so easy in those regards.

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Huh ?

There is a plugin involved that you folks much much likely won´t have.
its free, thus there is no demo ! just: the VST version of it is only available in the payed version. Its not cheap. its close to 200.-
Plus there are several other reasons why i cannot just post my gig file openly in a random fashion. I know what i´m doing and would have posted my gig file if i just could. But i can´t.
i might be able to rework my gig IF the person in question, the guy who makes the chow delay would be willing to check in more depth. That´d be then a different situation.
also, since that guy has that sayed expensive plugin in use. he develops for it, so i know
( its not just a plugin, its a whole environment ( a modularsynth clone environment as a plugin)

hope that answers it.

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Yeah, I see. Sorry for being that rude… :beers:
Seems i got up on the wrong side of the bed that day and this thread was somehow the straw that broke the camel’s back.

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Nonsense! @pianopaul has it for sure in his collection!

We would by far prefer you to reduce your gig file to the strict minimum, using only free plugins of rather plugins distributed with GP4. With only one plugin in a rackspace, do you still have the issue? If not, what do you have to do to make it appear again? Well there are so many thing you can do when sitting in front of your rig that nobody else can do for you. And even @schamass won’t be able to do it for you without a gig file reproducing your issue :wink:

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ok, sorry folks for that one long (unnecessary) post, but i was forced to answer,
and could not keep it short. (expectedly)

yes, there is alots i could do indeed.
the first thing i actually did was: to ask some questions.
I think that was exactly the right thing to do.
i wanted to have an overview vs. whats the “further” situation.
and i think it has been quite early -in this thread- all answered by David.
Further, i have reasons to not “just” post a gig just ramdomly on the net !! Please see the comment more down

but on the matter: (maybe repeating myself)
i´ve read here many threads, and usually is the consens: the problems lies with the plugin, ----> contact the maker.
—> so, when i came to ask, was i doing this totally allready under the presumption that i have to make contact with the maker, and that there is nothing that you folks here can do for me, other than helping me, to give the maker of the chow plugin as much “for him” necessary information as possible.

i have sayed problem only with this plugin !..thats where it starts.
i forgot to mention: i had same problem allready when i used only one instance of the plugin in other racks. so, i had this problem allways when i used to use the chow delay in a “patch”.
Allways ! …but never bevore had any such problem with any other plugin.
but to notes: i allways would map several grouped widgets to control parameters in one go. So, it gets to see quite some “controlling/midiCC” data.
And it seems “this plugin” has a problem with that…

ok, here we go: vs “just” posting a gig file openly:
No, its not that simple.
Within this type of music/music scene i´m in, is this work i do, “your” Art-work.
( in this case my patchings with GP, creating real time playable patches / what i do is: i create equivalently playable “sounds” similar to the C-15 synth. which is expensive !
the sounds i can come up with are different ofcourse, but much likely way better playable (way wider sound range within just one patch/ within one sound ) )

This all, these “patches” (the rackspaces) , thats the base.
it creates the fundament for having a own signature sound, which “can” become the fundament of an artists profile, and how he would be perceived.
This whole: “just post your gig” is not so trivial —> as you would think. :wink:
mostoften it might be, but now it was not. :wink:

i´d be VERY amazed if @Pianopaul has “VCV Rack2” . do you ?

sorry for whoever i have bothered to death, …but i felt forced to answer
/ couldn´t in short (nothing new)

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No, I do not have …

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Thanks !
chance was way little :wink:

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Really? I don’t believe it :wink:

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Even I have that one!

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You are the boss! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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its not a plugin that you just can test on the quick.
its a Eurorack environment in software.
to make use of the plugin does one HAVE to know the modules, and to understand how to patch. There are hundreds of modules allready available in the free version.
i am a modularsynth specialist, or i was, at least.
even for me was the start extremly tedious and unfunny.
and i to this day use just some very few things.

one day, i might open a thread and give you hints and tipps.
tryed allready to open a thread. turned out tooo long ! too complicated

this plugin is supercool for some specific things vs. the GP use context.
but there would be so so much to say, and to point out.

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oh, but are you also using it ?

we all know how it is :wink: