B-3x & Waterfall Crashes

GP Essentials on a Dell i9 laptop w/32GB RAM, Focusrite Blue 2i2 4th Gen, Novation Launchkey 88 Mk 3. Simple setup: rackspace with 8 sounds mapped to the Novation pads and various VST UI functions mapped to knobs and sliders.

About a month ago, the B-3X VST stopped working. The GP MIDI light shows receiving, but it’s not hitting the Focusrite. Every other VST works fine, except the Waterfall B-3, which does the same thing.

I uninstalled both VSTs and reinstalled. Worked fine . . . for about 20 mins and then it happened again –B-3X crashed and took Waterfall with it. Again, all other VSTs are fine. Some are monsters, too, including the full CFX Grand and the Rhodes V8.

Uninstalled the 2 recalcitrant VSTs again, also uninstalled GP and reinstalled. Worked for a few days. Took it to a gig and on the 2nd set, the B-3X quit working and took down the Waterfall with it. Again. Other VSTs continued to function. I’d had the foresight to bring my M-Solo as a backup.

Swapped out my 2i2 2nd Gen for a new 4th Gen Blue 2i2. Reloaded everything. Crashed a few days later.

I’ve been reading about conflicts with these two VSTs and GP.

Anyone else have this? Anyone find a solution?

Is there an organ VST that plays well with GP running on Windows?

I.cant see how to edit this, so adding that “crashes” may not be the right term. “Glitches” might be closer.

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Take a look at blue3 from cherryaudio
Or B-3X from ik multimedia.

Curious - if it was working fine up until that point and then stopped working, then something on your system changed.

How do you know that? If you open the editors for those plugins, do they have visual keyboard displays and if so, can you click on them and if so, do you hear sound when you do that?
Also, do the output meters on the bottom right of the main GP window show green when you try to play them?

I don’t know what is Waterfall and what it means for B-3 to take Waterfall - can you explain?

OK - those are completely different symptoms - so which is it?

If I click on the visual keyboard display, there is no sound. The output meters are still.

When I play the master keyboard, the B-3x and Waterfall B3 VST UI’s don’t show keys depressing.

While this is happening, all the other VSTs (except these 2 B-3 VSTs) work fine if selected.

Curious - if it was working fine up until that point and then stopped working, then something on your system changed.

I installed GP. It was only a few days (a week?) afterwards that this started.

OK - but if it worked fine for a few days and then stopped, something had to have changed. Is it possible they were trial versions that got disabled?

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Check your plugin settings: most of the B3/Hammond plugins receive MIDI on two or three MIDI channels to seperate Upper/Lower/Bass, Carefully filter/map the right controllers/channels from the GP in to your plugin!

I also had an issue long time in the past where the global setting of my VB3-II somtimes changed resulting in no sound output/ no keys visible…

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I have this issue more with B-3X than any other VST. Like the OP, even playing the plugin’s keyboard with a mouse shows the keys are being pressed but no audio is output. Sometimes just reloading the current VST preset bring it to life, or chasing to another Rackspace and back. Even taking the wiring from a working plugin in the same rackspace doesnt fix it.

Ive found B-3x to be quite problematic since I start to use it, but it’s never sometin go can repeat.

I have noticed a lot of the time if I use a preset the ti have created in the standalone version, and im using it in a Racksacpe as well, I have to refresh that preset, otherwise it just sounds wrong.

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@Dave_bass5

With B-3X you mean the Hammond from IK Multimedia?

Yeah, that’s the one. I use it for all my Organ sounds, and it behaves well most of the time, but its. the most problematic VST I have (and I use Zenology a lot ;-). Ive had times where ive opened a rackspace (that has been fine the day before), and all the drawbar widgets are at 0, as are the drawbars in the app (so no sound). This does seem to happen more if I use the stand alone app outside of GP at some point and use a preset ive got set up in GP (IKM preset, not a GP preset). I make a point now of never using it as a stand alone.

For a while now it’s been a tense second or two each time I switch to a rackspace that uses it. Even now I get nervious. Ive even taken all widgets connected to it out of all rackspaces as I believe it wasn’t playing nice with them.

I use that since release and never faced the issue you describe.
What version are you using VST, VST3 AU?

This is very strange - the ONLY thing that happens when you switch to another rackspace is that the plugins are “unbypassed” which should be a nothing.

I’ve had trouble with a lot of IK plugins myself in the past - we even had to put in a hack into GP to work around a really stupid IK bug that IK would not acknowledge) and frankly, for personal use, I just avoid them completely in my live performance machine

Everything in GP is VST3.

Yeah, everything checks out and I should hear sounds, but its like the audio out from the VST is switched off.

When I get time im going to try and incorporate my MODX M7 to do Piano and Organs, as I feel they sound better to me (and its a sin not to use some of the internal MODX sounds).

Can you try the VST version?

Do you have Microsoft OneDrive enabled and turned on?

If so, turn it off and exit out of it completely. Then see if you can repeat the crash.

I am using IK Multimedia Hammond B3X on my setup three days per week since years and I never had a problem. Using a MacBookPro M4pro since 6 months. And an M1 one between 2021 and 6 months ago.